tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7113721142630525991.post8379617979260265258..comments2023-08-07T04:03:13.829-05:00Comments on Beer, Bicycles and the VRWC: Government and (Alleged) AGWBeer, Bicycles and the VRWChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08976779901265528597noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7113721142630525991.post-10885030124684016402010-03-07T16:52:21.080-06:002010-03-07T16:52:21.080-06:00I saw the air temperature data. I can't tell ...I saw the air temperature data. I can't tell you if it's a leading or lagging metric. Or what things affect it in the Arctic.<br /><br />My larger point is that the science is either sloppy or fraudulent. Dealing with scientists and engineers daily (and being an engineer myself), I can assure you it gets sloppy. I can also assure you that much research finds what it wants (or doesn't find what it doesn't want).<br /><br />I can say for fairly certain that climate tends to follow natural ocean and sun cycles much better than any climate model I've been able to decipher.<br /><br />You are always welcome to the debate here, Jill. We'll even agree sometimes.Beer, Bicycles and the VRWChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976779901265528597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7113721142630525991.post-88676605145640617262010-03-07T16:23:07.450-06:002010-03-07T16:23:07.450-06:00I read the article you linked. Arctic ice volume i...I read the article you linked. Arctic ice volume is slightly higher than last year's record low, but arctic air temperatures are as high as they've been in 200 years of record keeping. How you use that data to conclude that the climate isn't warming is exactly my point. I have done my research. <br /><br />Carbon trading is bad economics. That doesn't mean the climate isn't warming. That's like saying that reincarnation is a false religion, so therefore human mortality is a myth.Ordinary Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967266466238236424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7113721142630525991.post-77738281250023787382010-03-06T20:06:37.446-06:002010-03-06T20:06:37.446-06:00http://www.businessinsider.com/shocker-arctic-ice-...http://www.businessinsider.com/shocker-arctic-ice-volumes-are-up-in-2009-2009-10<br /><br />Climategate, Hansen has admitted 15 years of zero warming. Al Gore and the head of the IPCC engaged in conflicts of interest regarding carbon trading. "Hockeystick" completely debunked. "Earth In The Balance" and "Inconvenient Truth" shown to be utter BS.<br /><br />The rug is pulled out from under the foundation of the warmers arguments.<br /><br />And cherry-picking? You haven't done your homework, Jill. Siting of temperature data has introduced error and many of the coldest spots on Earth were omitted from data. This is at best, sloppy science and at worst,fraud.<br /><br />The oil and gas industry has pulled out of the climate cartel.<br /><br />The religious end goes to the "warmers".Beer, Bicycles and the VRWChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976779901265528597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7113721142630525991.post-81606307601398396242010-03-06T09:54:00.792-06:002010-03-06T09:54:00.792-06:00You are confusing theories with hypotheses. One tr...You are confusing theories with hypotheses. One tries to disprove a hypothesis, not a theory. Theories themselves are generally not testable. A hypothesis is a testable premise that will either support or undermine a theory. Theory: planets are round. Hypothesis: the Earth is round. You can believe whatever you want about global warming. However, the (north) polar ice cap is undoubtedly shrinking. The northwest passage will soon be a navigable reality. One can reasonably doubt that human burning of fossil fuels is the cause (I think the theory is sound, but there are too many variables to be sure), but even the oil and gas industry acknowledges that the climate is warming (which the industry attributes to natural cycles). Believing that global temperatures, on average, are not rising requires willful cherry-picking of data. It is an act of faith, not reason. You are welcome to your faith, but I suspect that is the reason so few people engage you in this conversation. Most Americans find religious debates to be distateful.Ordinary Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967266466238236424noreply@blogger.com